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		By: Daniel Preece		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel Preece]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2015 09:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Dr Tom Bassindale		</title>
		<link>http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9421</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2015 08:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9403&quot;&gt;Belitta&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Belitta,
I don&#039;t really have any easy answers to this I am afraid. The forensic market has shrunk considerably in the past ten years and there is a lot of uncertainty around. The courses are not vocational degrees, that is to say there is no guarantee of a job in that field at the end.&#039;Forensic science&#039; is also a very broad field, what area do you wish to go into? Look into the associated jobs in that area rather than focusing solely on ones with &#039;forensic&#039; in the job title, many use the same techniques and methods as in forensic laboratories and would give you extra experience before you eventually get your dream job.  That job isn&#039;t usually someones first job.
If you have an accredited MSc I would not think the certificate will give you anything more than that (BUT I am not an employer currently...).
Apply for everything you think you can do and don&#039;t give up. Recent graduates aren&#039;t the only ones who question how to get jobs that require experience without being given opportunities, it was certainly the same when I graduated and was probably before that as well.
Good luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9403">Belitta</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Belitta,<br />
I don&#8217;t really have any easy answers to this I am afraid. The forensic market has shrunk considerably in the past ten years and there is a lot of uncertainty around. The courses are not vocational degrees, that is to say there is no guarantee of a job in that field at the end.&#8217;Forensic science&#8217; is also a very broad field, what area do you wish to go into? Look into the associated jobs in that area rather than focusing solely on ones with &#8216;forensic&#8217; in the job title, many use the same techniques and methods as in forensic laboratories and would give you extra experience before you eventually get your dream job.  That job isn&#8217;t usually someones first job.<br />
If you have an accredited MSc I would not think the certificate will give you anything more than that (BUT I am not an employer currently&#8230;).<br />
Apply for everything you think you can do and don&#8217;t give up. Recent graduates aren&#8217;t the only ones who question how to get jobs that require experience without being given opportunities, it was certainly the same when I graduated and was probably before that as well.<br />
Good luck!</p>
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		By: Belitta		</title>
		<link>http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9403</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Belitta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2015 19:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am currently considering this program as its been a year now that i have searched and searched for a job in this industry with no luck. It&#039;s not just me that&#039;s in this boat, majority of my friends on the same masters course have not been able to secure a position. Things are getting very desperate now due to loan payments etc, and its not every encouraging to read that this course along with the accredited course i completed has no sway. What can one do to procure a position? 

Honestly, through all my applications i got invited for 1 interview and the rest say that i need experience. Well i&#039;m going to say what all recent graduates seem to be saying &#039;If we are not given the opportunity to gain experience we are going to get nowhere!&#039;. What will it take to get in?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently considering this program as its been a year now that i have searched and searched for a job in this industry with no luck. It&#8217;s not just me that&#8217;s in this boat, majority of my friends on the same masters course have not been able to secure a position. Things are getting very desperate now due to loan payments etc, and its not every encouraging to read that this course along with the accredited course i completed has no sway. What can one do to procure a position? </p>
<p>Honestly, through all my applications i got invited for 1 interview and the rest say that i need experience. Well i&#8217;m going to say what all recent graduates seem to be saying &#8216;If we are not given the opportunity to gain experience we are going to get nowhere!&#8217;. What will it take to get in?</p>
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		By: Tiernan Coyle		</title>
		<link>http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9020</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiernan Coyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9019&quot;&gt;Dr Tom Bassindale&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Tom.  I can&#039;t speak for other FSPs (and we&#039;re not a large employer) but I can&#039;t see how an ISO17025 accredited laboratory could recognise this certificate considering any successful candidate would have to undergo rigorous training processes to prove their competence according to the FSPs own procedures, all whilst on a period of probation. Selecting for interview based on this process would appear flawed from a HR point of view, there are no shortcuts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9019">Dr Tom Bassindale</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom.  I can&#8217;t speak for other FSPs (and we&#8217;re not a large employer) but I can&#8217;t see how an ISO17025 accredited laboratory could recognise this certificate considering any successful candidate would have to undergo rigorous training processes to prove their competence according to the FSPs own procedures, all whilst on a period of probation. Selecting for interview based on this process would appear flawed from a HR point of view, there are no shortcuts.</p>
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		By: Dr Tom Bassindale		</title>
		<link>http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9019</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr Tom Bassindale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9018&quot;&gt;Tiernan Coyle&lt;/a&gt;.

Tiernan, thanks for your comment, good to hear people won&#039;t be disadvantaged during application if they have not forked out for this certificate.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9018">Tiernan Coyle</a>.</p>
<p>Tiernan, thanks for your comment, good to hear people won&#8217;t be disadvantaged during application if they have not forked out for this certificate.<br />
Tom</p>
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		By: Tiernan Coyle		</title>
		<link>http://www.weareforensic.co.uk/society-launches-pre-employment-assessment-of-competence-for-forensic-graduates/#comment-9018</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tiernan Coyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Speaking for Contact Traces, www.contacttraces.co.uk ; as an FSP we do not recognise this programme and it would not count during selection for interview.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking for Contact Traces, <a href="http://www.contacttraces.co.uk" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.contacttraces.co.uk</a> ; as an FSP we do not recognise this programme and it would not count during selection for interview.</p>
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